Personally, i wouldnt want to shoot steel in any solid choke full choke. But they will be able to fire the cartridges that you have as they are standard steel and so can be fired in any gun which is in proof for the chamber length on the box, normally 2 34. It was certainly not designed magnum shells or steel shot. S cross section in mm 2 of the barrel crown, measured at the muzzle. For shotgun ammunition loaded with lead or steel shot the size of the shot and the. Make absolutely sure that your gun is proofed for steel otherwise do not shoot steel cartridges. As a result of this, new rules of proof were introduced in 1984 and these were amended in 1986 and 1989. After about 1924 the names are pretty solid, before that it is any ones guess. Hi, your shotgun was made after 1924 due to the perronliege proof marks. The gun was designed for the ammunition in use at the time which was black powder. Jul 11, 2012 its better than any steel i have ever shot.
They pattern too tightly, and sometimes result in a blown pattern. Only for use in weapons designed to fire steel shot cartridges and bearing the steel shot proof mark. Non toxic shot will steel, tungsten or hevi shot damage my. The less dense and environmentally safer steel is quite popular, with the only downside being the loss of penetration with steel due to lead being heavier. Steel is also a problem if you bite into a pellet at mealtime, a boon to dentistry. By 1770, reliable damascus shotgun barrels were readily available, and by 1790, doublebarrel flintlock shotguns were available. Zulu marked belgian snider single shot shotgun an admirable boys or farmers gun here we present a zulu tabatiere breechloading shotgun. So it must be damascus but did damascus make solid steel barrels because that appears to be what i have. For example, this means that a gun with belgian proof marks can be sold in the uk without being reproofed because belgium is a cip member. The specification lays down shot size and hardness, the number of proof rounds to be fired through each barrel and the pressure to be generated at 25mm and 162mm. Everything you need to know about the shotgun sports is a mouseclick. Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker. Welcome thank you for visiting our online listing of manufacturers identifying marks, referred to more commonly as proof marks, arsenal or inspector marks.
May 27, 2017 in this video we look at the differences between steel shot and lead shot. As more and more states place restrictions on traditional loads, especially when targeting waterfowl, many hunters are strongly considering 12 gauge steel shot instead of lead. First, look at its proof marks, which can reveal country of origin and possibly a range of years. This shotgun does have english proof marks, but because there were and are no proofing houses in the united states, ill start with the guns observable features. To my knowledge the belgians were the only ones who identified the controller. If you are unable to use steel shot understand the qualities of bismuth or tungsten varieties.
Proofmarks in that document dont indicate damascus barrels. The breechblock is springloaded so it can be used as a handle to eject the spent cartridge. The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in london or birmingham. Gerhard wirnsberger, the standard directory of proof marks translated by r. Left barrel marked elg, small marking under lg possibly a star or crown all in an oval. Steel shot will my shotgun be safe with steel shot cartridges. Shotgun barrels of this era are sometimes marked with a powder charge over a shot weight, but the style of those marks didnt change markedly over time. The gun in question is a double barrel hammer gun with c. This is a recording of a workshop given at the 2014 afte association of firearm and toolmark examiners conference in seattle, on the subject of proof marks and other. This is indicated by a fleurdelis mark on the gun and the words steel shot.
Steel pellets embedded in trees have not found great favor with the timber industry, either. Guide to using nonlead shot the british association for. Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3. Steel shot can impact tight chokes and cause some damage. His company and its successors operated until the mid1950. Understand what the proof marks on your barrels mean, and what cartridges you can safely use. On hp steel shot box it will say only for use in weapons designed to fire steel shot cartridges and bearing the steel shot proof mark this is not ok through your gun unless you have the 3 feathers mark on the barrel. Steindler has a lot of material, if you have the fortitude and energy to dig it out. Steel shot 2 target loads 3 turkey ammo 5 shot size.
A special steel shot proof mark will be stamped on each barrel of such. During that time, joseph manton 17661835, acknowledged as the. R tensile strength resistance in nmm 2 measured on the finished gun. Richards marked shotgun, trying to identify age the. It replaced nickel steel, used in the early production winchester 94s to withstand the. When in doubt, have it checked out by a reputable gunsmith. If you would like your gun proofed for steel shot, we can arrange this for.
Note, however, that some will be marked with the highpressure proof load, while others will be marked with the standard service load. That includes places to shoot, ways to improve your shooting and the latest new products. Many old guns may have been reproved once or more, often in a different proof house from the original one. The latter should only be fired through guns that have passed steel shot proof and have been proved to at least 1,320 bar. There are probably markings on the barrel along with proof marks to indicate choke size. Where the steel shot diameter exceeds 4 mm, only weapons having.
Buying a shotgun a guide to starting shooting in the uk. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information. Apr 12, 2020 reproof of shot barrelled firearms steel shot proof for smooth bored guns. The first on the left and the fourth the one that resembles a candlestick indicate provisional proof. High performance steel ammunition can be shot through steel proof shotguns. The proof marks will tell you whether the gun was nitro proofed for smokeless powder. The middle crest is the proof mark of the belgian proof house. In this video we look at the differences between steel shot and lead shot. Zulu marked belgian snider single shot shotgun description. I was talking to a winchester rep at the recent shot show and he said that the new steel wads made their product safe for any modern barrel with any choke.
Many shotguns proved under proof rules before 1904, when the nitro proof marks. The gun has belgium proof marks and a tree stamped by the name on the sideplates. Our goal is to provide you with the best coverage in wing and clays shooting. Most of the earlier german guns had a shotgun chamber length of 2 916. Steel rusts and attempting to shoot a welded together mass of pellets through your gun could mean a ringed barrel.
Vintage belgium double barrel identification shooters forum. Steel shot will my shotgun be safe with steel shot. The overprint damascusbarrels indicates the website. In addition to all the other marks, the liege bank of proof also had the controller of proof stamp the gun. Understand the difference between standard and highperformance steel shot and which of these you can safely use. You can find this by looking for the fleurdelys proof marks or its barrel markings. These cartridges should only be used in shotguns that have passed the special steel shot proof and bear the.
However, as the us has no federated proof system and american makers conduct their own proof tests, us guns must be proofed on arrival in the uk, because the us is not a cip member. When it comes to proof marks, something not shown in the books always shows. On june 5th, 1980, the united kingdom joined the international proof commission cip. Non toxic shot will steel, tungsten or hevi shot damage my gun by mike yardley. The shotgun is littered with belgian proof marks throughout. If a shotgun barrel is not tested with, or designed for steel shot, you are needlessly putting your barrel at risk. New listing browning bss double barrel shotgun side by side empty box. The marks there are exactly the same as on my gun so, no they are not specifically proofed for steel shot. Rules, regulations and scales, birmingham proof house. Winchester x41rs5vp 410 gauge 2 12 15 oz rifled slug value pack. Ive damaged a few steel compatible barrels with steel shot and i recently discussed it with a friend who used steel shot in his socalled steel proof 10 gauge. The one on the far right is the definite proof for nitro, or smokeless powder.
Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service. Steel shot actually it is soft iron does not have any give or compression as it goes through the choke. I am new in this forum, i have a shotgun eigebarspain, 410 gauge 3chamber, with 3 marks, one is spanish option smoke less 1931, spanish addmission proof for eibar since 1931, and spanish definitive black p. Shotgun is a side by side with side hammers, right barrel marked 17. Markings on gun barrels and other gun components that indicate the level of pressure, calibre and standards that a weapon is fit for in service the drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information. If the barrel is choked the measurement shall be made halfway at the. Important information about shotshell pressures shotgun life. The british proof authority recommend less than half choke 0. Shotgun life is the first online magazine devoted to the great people who participate in the shotgun sports. Introduced around 1940, winchester proof steel is the alloy used by winchester to manufacture its firearms. The thin barrel steel that gives the browning b25s their magical responsiveness may bulge just at the beginning of the choke if you use steel shot and a trapstyle modified or full choke.
Leonardo antaris, astra automatic pistols, has some good, though incomplete, material on spanish proofs. Proof marks ballistics bev fitchetts guns magazine. Shotgun ammunition from winchester and hevishot the best brands at the best prices. Rules, regulations and scales applicable to the proof of small arms. The gun trade association advice sheet on the use of lead gwct.
That document covers most all belgian proof marks, damascus and fluid steel. Dec 15, 2017 for example, this means that a gun with belgian proof marks can be sold in the uk without being reproofed because belgium is a cip member. What i have seen so far are m, ic and cylinder bore, you are good to go. Longterm use means you will likely have to buy a barrel.
This is a recording of a workshop given at the 2014 afte association of firearm and toolmark examiners conference in seattle, on. A steel proved shotgun should have the words steel shot stamped on the barrel and or a. On the standard steel shot cartridge box it will just say steel shot this cartridge is ok through your gun. As a newcomer to shooting, i suggest you futureproof yourself by buying a gun that carries the fleurdelys steel shot proof mark. We have provided you with this information in an attempt to clear up some wrong information that we have found on this subject. As a newcomer to shooting, i suggest you future proof yourself by buying a gun that carries the fleurdelys steel shot proof mark. A few words of advice to those who have an older german shotgun or combination gun. Barrel is fine, its a new shotgun so if you have a choke it will be a modern choke with a long throat specifically designed for steel shot. Reproof of shotbarrelled firearms steel shot proof for smooth bored guns. Double barrel in shotgun parts for sale in stock ebay. You can subscribe to the field here the ecocrats dont like lead and they appear to be planning to get rid of it.
The majority of marks will be found on the barrel flats, though early guns may have stamps on the tubes, under the forend. Part v proof marks used by the british proof authorities 14 20. Non toxic shot will steel, tungsten or hevi shot damage. All browning shotguns with the standard invector, invectorplus or ds choke tube systems, however, we do not recommend the use of invector full or extra full chokes with steel shot. Rules, regulations and scales of proof made or altered under section 117 of the principal act measurements whether length, area, volume, mass or weight may be expressed in imperial or in metric units, where internationally. Shotgun ammunition from winchester and hevi shot the best brands at the best prices. Please contact us with pictures of the proof mark if you need help identifying this symbol. Jul 29, 20 this shotgun does have english proof marks, but because there were and are no proofing houses in the united states, ill start with the guns observable features. If you are still unsure pull the choke out and look up the manufacturers specifications for it. New listing skb over under or double barrel shotgun side by side empty box ithaca. A steel proved shotgun should have the words steel shot stamped on the barrel and or a fleurdelys proof mark. Proof mark circa proof house type of proof and gun since 1950 e. There will be no proof marks on the american made gun. A version of this article first appeared in the field.
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